Hosts Mary and Blake discuss all the listener feedback from To Ransom A Man’s Soul. In this episode you’ll learn all about: being wicked tired, Claire’s sin(?), the finale being rushed, Jamie’s mission statement, people quitting on Outlander, the finale being a necessary experience, reliving the sex conversation with Mary’s mom, the Emmy question, deserving BJR’s backstory, the deal with Jamie’s ghost and changing the future, the only way they could have redeemed The Search, the difference between consent and cooperation, and why Blake needs to smell more like Jamie..
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Hi Mary & Blake,
My Comments on your new episodes:
• Newborn – Hang in there! Blake – thank you for being honest that you are so damn tired having a newborn. When I had my son I just heard from these ‘perfect’ parents around me with ‘perfectly behaved’ babies and my son would just NOT SLEEP! I was exhausted all the time.
• Ditto Copies of Human Anatomy – I loved Mary’s story how she got kicked out of health class as she was giggling while going over cartoon pictures of human anatomy. The most hilarious part was when she was considering ‘coloring’ them in (40:40);
• Cooperation not same as Consent – Sheryl (mental health specialist) comment about cooperation during abuse not being the same as consent was very on helpful in understanding why Jamie should not feel guilty (1:09:25)
• Hotsprings – I agree that although very important in the book it would have been ‘out of place’ in the finale. It would have been too soon for comfort for me after the rape by JBR. I just hope it is not forgotten in S2. 😉
• Claire’s sin – well maybe she sinned and maybe she didn’t. Considering the situation, she did the best she could. If she did feel that she was making a choice to stay b/u she was afraid to go back (not sure how and if she would survive, etc.) then she did not commit adultery, but if she stayed b/u she wanted to be with Jamie rather than Frank then she did. But love can show up on your doorsteps while you are trying to be faithful…and although wrong, we are all sinners after all and I do not hold it against her.
• Emmy’s – I did not realize that you pick just 1 episode for Emmy consideration. If you pick “Garrison Commander’ then JBR and Claire’s strength will be well represented, but not Jamie’s. Or is this only for ‘Outlander’ best show consideration? I need to read up on how does this actually work.
• Translation of Muztagh & Jamie’s’ conversation – did you say you will have a link on your website somewhere?
• Maril Davis – the Executive Producer on #Outlander with Ron Moore. I am so surprised how little we have seen of her. I read a summary of her chat on Twitter and she is very much eager to be invited to ‘panels’ and I totally think she should. It would be great if you have her on your podcast. http://fangirlish.com/askoutlander-with-exec-producer-maril-davis/
• JBR vs. Frank – I have no trouble keeping them separate. To me it is like treating Twins – they may look alike but are often very different.AkaAki157@akiaga
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Allyburu· Reply
I know this episode is rather contentious, but I feel we needed to see the depth of depravity forced upon Jamie. The unblinking camera eye is able to bring us to a place we maybe don’t Want to be, but Need to be to understand how how far Jamie is pushed, and how far it is to for him to come back from. Rape is one of those things that nobody really Wants to talk about, but I think as a society, we Need to talk about. It’s so prevalent in everyday life, and it happens to Soooooo many people, yet we only have one main cultural idea of what it is. We think of the stranger in the dark alley holding a woman at gunpoint, or Law & Order: SVU, but it can happen a variety of ways, under a myriad of circumstances, and to men, women, and children, from all walks of life. And, sad to say, it will likely happen to someone you know, if not you yourself. I know well over a dozen women who have been raped, and have been raped myself. Super Duper Honesty Time: I didn’t even realize what was happening to me was rape, because I didn’t realize that rape covers a spectrum of circumstances. I was raped by my own fiancée, twice, but didn’t realize it until years later, when I learned in college that you could be raped by your spouse, partner, boyfriend, or even your date. I figured that since I was a willing participant every other time we had had sex, I couldn’t call these episodes rape since it was under special circumstances that I was telling him no those two particular times. But it was rape. It was unwanted, it was painful, and I cried the whole time, asking him to stop. It was years later that I was able to acknowledge what happened, and it took years to process and deal with. I struggled with what I could have done differently, I acted out to try to cope, and I nearly ruined the new relationship I was in because I went through the trauma all over again by learning I WAS RIGHT TO SAY NO. I was completely within my rights to say No, and have my rights be respected, but they weren’t. That pissed me off, I’ll tell ya. My then boyfriend(who I am now happily married to) had a pretty tough time with me for a while, as I was processing all the emotional baggage from being raped by my previous boyfriend. It was unfair for him to have to suffer the consequences of someone else’s actions, but I had to deal with it. And eventually, I did. My point in this little exposé is to say that I Complied with my rapist, but I did not Consent. I could have gotten up and left, but I didn’t. This is not me blaming myself, but I’m trying to get across that when you are under someone’s emotional, manipulative power, you will submit to things you would never dream of under regular circumstances. I didn’t want my fiancée to leave me, so I let him do what he wanted. I was in love with him, and didn’t want to anger him. I verbally told him no, but he didn’t listen, and I didn’t fight. But what happened was still rape. Consent and Compliance are not the same thing. And I think more people need to understand that. Because if you don’t, then you won’t understand how Sooooo many people are raped or abused. How it can go on for years, with no one being told or alerted.
I don’t have room here to discuss it all but I just had to share my story, because this episode of Outlander actually helped me Process my own rape. I can’t explain how, or why, but I found it rather cathartic to see this crazy, horrifying scenario of abuse, torture, manipulation, then finally pleasure and surrender. It touched a part of my soul that needed to know that I’m not alone, and that to Comply is not to Consent. Sorry if anybody is freaked out by my honesty, but I’ve chosen to be open about what happened, because if I’m open, and can share my story, maybe more people will be able to open up, or simply realize they aren’t alone, either.
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