Outlander Cast hosts Mary & Blake discuss the season 5 Premiere for Outlander – episode 5.01, “The Fiery Cross”.
In this episode we chat, the motif of oaths running through the episode, a surprising structural comparison between two specific relationships, and why Blake would totally be John Quincy Myers at the wedding…
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Loved watching the podcast record live – you guys are awesome! I did ask a question while you had stepped away, Mary, but didn’t get an answer, so I’m asking again – why does Blake call you Marvin?
Sorry – long post here – some thoughts as I listen:
I loved this episode so very much – Sam Heughan is just amazing, but that’s no surprise. My biggest surprise for this episode was how small Claire’s part was. I’m sure she’s going to have big stuff coming up, but she just seemed to be even less than Bree and Roger for this episode.
I mentioned this on Facebook – was there a diamond birthmark behind Bree’s ear? But I think it was the shadow of her earring. It SHOULD have been there.
Jamie crying – the one that got me was after Culloden when Rupert goes out to be shot. Then him with saying “bye Ian” at the end of season 4. Tears on his cheeks when he thought Claire would leave him at the stones for Frank in season 1. Tearing up as he rode away from Willie in “Of Lost Things”. He does it so very well, it’s never overdone…in each situation it’s just perfect to the scene.
Jamie dancing – I know I’ve seen in previews Jamie dancing and I expected it to be in the wedding episode, but …no. Hmmm. Maybe upcoming? (If Jocasta marries Duncan Innes, maybe?)
I think people were way too harsh on Roger last season – and already people are jumping on Roger for not stepping up right away when Jamie asked for men to stand by his side. I thought that Roger knows he is not equipped to fight, and did not know what he was supposed to do until Isaiah Morton showed the way, and Jamie called him by name.
Costumes – I LOVED Bree’s wedding dress!
In the previews – Bree states, if you stop this now, America may never become America. If the Regulators step down, that spark may be extinguished. I think Murtagh has to follow his conscience – he can’t just sit by and do nothing.
Tryon is the Bonnie Prince Charlie of this season – not overtly a bad guy – an idiot, but not a murderer or sadist (BJR), but definitely at cross purposes with Jamie’s best interests where Murtagh is concerned. Bonnet is the true villain of this season, but I hated that it was brought in on her wedding. JAMIE finding it out, US finding it out was fine…her finding it out was sucky – on her wedding day…just mean. I thought when she was overhearing Jamie and LJG, that she might be going to hear that Willie was her brother, which also would have sucked, BTW.
And I love Moch Sa Mhadainn so much, it’s my favorite piece in season 2 and it was AWESOME having it show up again here with the kilt scene!
This was an awesome episode. Everyone is being too hard on Roger. I thought that what he did in “Providence” was absolutely heroic. He’d escaped, but still felt the need to help that poor man who was slowly burning to death. Unable to free him, Roger at least speeded up his death, knowing that he’d be caught and that it might very well be his turn next for a slow agonizing death. No one would have helped him die quickly, and Roger didn’t know that help was on the way. I think if Jamie had heard about that whole thing, he’d have been very impressed by Roger’s courage. He also helped hide that woman and her baby on Bonnet’s ship.
So don’t tell me that Roger isn’t a good man or that he doesn’t have what it takes to survive here. He just isn’t sure he wants to. I can’t blame Roger for that. There’s a war coming, snakes that can wander into the backyard, and a father-in-law who still can’t accept him as family. See how you do under those circumstances. He’s doing the best he can at the moment. I very much liked his standing up to Aunt Jocasta. It’s too bad he can’t tell her he’s related to her deceased brother Dougal.
Anyway, let’s please let Roger off the hook. He’s more than paid for whatever mistakes he made in Season Four. Jamie will come around, make no mistake. Roger is just as worthy of being Jamie extended family as anyone else. More so, since he alone got Claire back to Jamie. Let’s not overlook all he’s done that was right.
Hi Mary and Blake,
It’s a whopping five kilts from me. This is what I was missing most of all of last season: The very heart of Outlander.
Everything hit the feels for me, there was so much emotion, and it so reminded me that the Fraziers finally remembered that they were Scots once more.
There was so much balance that was lacking in last season– no filler wasting time (remember people just
Right from the very beginning, they gave us the wonderful heartfelt moment between Murtaugh and young Jamie. It was so very well done: Both actors showed how very much they were grieving over Ellen Fraser, and it forged the bond between boy and man.
We just know without being hit over the head, how the rest of the series is going to, the heartbreak Jamie and Murtaugh will face.
There were so many callbacks to previous episodes that I felt my heart jump all at once. I couldn’t help recall The Garrison Commander seeing the shaving scene between Roger and Jamie, and there was just as much tension underneath the Roger /Jamie dynamic as there was in BJR’s case.
While BJR was sadistic, Jamie looks down on Roger for being a “heretic” and fitting in as a tradesman in his time (Careful with that disdain, Jamie. If you had a historian when you were in Paris, you would have won the battle of Culloden!)
The rallying cry of “The Frasier’s are here,” reminded me of the Scottish Festival in Season 4, and how I wanted to see their clan represented.
The wedding was so heartfelt, and the clips interspersed of Jamie and Claire’s wedding vows made me tear up all over again. Jamie and Claire repeating “As long as we both shall live” was magical.
The drinking game at the wedding was fun, and I got a chuckle out of both Fergus and Lord John. Loving Marsali too. She’s such an awesome character.
Loving how Bree and Claire brought up Frank! Of course Bree would be missing her “Daddy.” It was very telling how Claire said Frank would have loved Roger being a historian. Perhaps that little seed nags at Da Jamie just a bit?
Oh the sex scenes! FINALLY. Jamie and Claire made babysitting look so sexy, and I had to giggle when Claire shushed Jamie a few times during their lovemaking.
Loved seeing Murtaugh and Jocasta.
Oh, Roger giving his “vow” or baptism to Jemmy made me tear up. Although he may not be Roger’s son,
Roger loves him just the same. It reminds me so much of Frank’s feeling for Bree.
Now, to Bonnet…With the shadow of Bonnet being alive (a surprise to NO ONE), Bree and Roger and Jemmy won’t be happy for long.
The little one playing Furgus and Marsali’s son is so cute! Loved the mention of Willie, and the boy who plays the hunter looks interesting.
Wow! I got the chills seeing Jamie in his kilt once more, the Galic Music played in Season 2 just capped it: They can’t take Scotland out of Outlander, it is not the same.
The music was amazing. It just underscored a must-watch episode.
I’m now reading the book Outlander as well!
So much tension left unsaid and unexpressed with Roger and Jamie.
Blake you made me laugh with all the Godfather references! GO TO THE MATTRESSES!
Guess what, ha ha! There’s a Pheasant Plucker Song!
I’m not a pheasant plucker, I’m a pheasant plucker’s son
I’m only plucking pheasants ’till the pheasant plucker comes.
Me husband is a keeper, he’s a very busy man
I try to understand him and I help him all I can,
But sometimes in an evening I feel a trifle dim
All alone, I’m plucking pheasants, when I’d rather pluck with him.
I’m not a pheasant plucker, I’m a pheasant plucker’s mate
I’m only plucking pheasants ‘cos the pheasant plucker’s late !
I’m not good at plucking pheasants, at pheasant plucking I get stuck
Though some pheasants find it pleasant I’d rather pluck a duck.
Oh plucking geese is gorgeous, I can pluck a goose with ease
But pheasant plucking’s torture because they haven’t any grease.
I’m not a pheasant plucker, he has gone out on the tiles
He only plucked one pheasant and I’m sitting here with piles !
You have to pluck them fresh, if it’s fresh they’re not unpleasant,
I knew a man in Dunstable who could pluck a frozen pheasant.
They say the village constable had pheasant plucking sessions
With the vicar on a Sunday ‘tween the first and second lessons.
I’m not a pheasant plucker, I’m a pheasant plucker’s mum
I’m only plucking pheasants ’till the pheasant plucker’s come.
My good friend Godfrey is most adept, he’s really got the knack
He likes to have a pheasant plucked before he hits the sack.
I like to give a helping hand, I gather up the feathers,
It’s really all our pheasant plucking keeps us pair together.
I’m not a pheasant plucker, I’m a pheasant plucker’s friend
I’m only plucking pheasants as a means unto an end !
My husband’s in the forest always banging with his gun
If he could hear me half the time I’m sure that he would run,
For there’s fluff in all my crannies, there’s feathers up my nose
And I’m itching in the kitchen from my head down to my toes.
I’m not a pheasant plucker, I’m a pheasant plucker’s wife
And when we pluck together it’s a pheasant plucking life !
Apparently they gave Jamie’s old wig to Josiah Beardsley. Just dying it. lol BTW the wardrobe person doesn’t do the wigs, that’s hair and makeup.
Jamie was 8 when Murtagh made the vow.
When Jamie did the cross thing, Lord John looked like a proud papa.