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Extremely well said, and bravely, I might add. To date I've not seen a forum comment, a FB comment, article, etc. that approaches this very important topic with as much honesty and clarity as you have. I just read the 8 books too for the first time, very quickly over the summer, and am on my 2nd read now. I missed so much during my initial read, now its nearly like reading them for the 1st time again!
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Cynthia's first line above completely captures my sentiment. Everyone thinks it – and, heck I've even talked to some girlfriends about it – but no one puts it into print in such explored detail. So, thank you!
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Thanks for the feedback. Yes, I am re-reading too and amazed at what I missed first time around. I was so caught up worrying about what was coming next that I read too quickly! Now I can be more relaxed though. And of course re-reading (and rewatching) those wonderful scenes between Jamie and Claire is always welcome!
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You are so on the money, Melissa! Jamie is so giving in his passion, which just makes it all the more wonderful (and sexier of course). He's a quick learner for sure!
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Hmmm, I find your blog interesting but I do have some opposing opinions. There are many female authors who write romance and have chosen to make it real, raw, and feminist–such as Anne Rice, Jackie Collins, E.L. James to name a few. Diana's books are a wonderful extension of this. I have a bit of a problem with you calling it "Lady Porn". I don't believe its porn. To me porn is sex for sex sake, cheap, tawdry, wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am kind of stuff (nothing wrong with it if that's what your into). The sex in Outlander is part of the very complicated story of these two characters. Yes, its graphic, sensual and erotic but that's part of the story of how they grow as people, as a married couple and far from porn. Diana's writing is not just from a female perspective and I think we need to get away from saying this about female writers. Her writing is from the perspective of a great writer, period. Saying that writing has a female perspective limits the scope of what that writer can be seen as. Hence, her sex scenes are also from the perspective of an amazing writer (who happens to be female) that writes in rich detail and depth. If you want to see porn go to Pornhub, if you want to see a young couple in love discovering themselves and the boundaries of their relationship, watch (and read) Outlander.
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Thanks for your comments. I'm so glad you responded.
I use the term without derision. I think it can be more encompassing than sex for sex's sake. And the complicated storyline and development of the characters is precisely one of my points about how this is distinguished from something you might find on Pornhub. It's that depth that makes it so rich and part of why it's so appealing to the women I'm writing about when I reference this.
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You make a very valid argument, but I can't handle Anne Rice being mentioned in the same sentence as E.L. James.
Or rather, I can't handle E.L. James full stop.
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I agree it's not porn in the conventional sense; hence my new term 🙂 And yes, sometimes it can feel a little voyeuristic….but what a view! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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Actually, I do have something to add now that I think of it, lol. It occurred to me (and I'm sure many others) that one of the reasons Claire stays with Jaime, is that she feels more like his partner and his equal. Now, who would ever think that a woman would feel like that in he late 18th century than the middle of the 20th century? It's quite apparent that in 1945, she has become simply Frank's wife or Mrs. Randall, just accompanying him on his outings in Scotland. How boring and frustrating this must of been to woman who took an active part in WWII, taking care of soldiers on the front lines. Not to mention her adventurous, nomadic childhood with Uncle Lamb. Not only is she Jamie's wife, she is also the healer, the conjurer-woman, who has a fulfilling purpose of her own. And Jamie (among others) respects her as such as well.
Now, of course, I'm saying all this with regard to just the first book and season of the show – don't want to spoil non-readers about future character development and plot.
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Totally agree. Part of the appeal of lady porn is the power of women that is recognized. It's part of the exhilaration and one of the ways in which Gabaldon is absolutely brilliant. So many strong female characters in her book(s). And the show does a good job so far of illustrating that. Thank you for your feedback!
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mineo· Reply
Well written. I believe you've managed to hit every single point. Yes, I wish we could come up with a better name for it, but I canna fault your usage. I find that Claire is a very strong lady, starting with her Uncle Lamb trying to leave her at a boarding school! Lol Diana's talent of developing her characters is so incredible!
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The appeal of the sex scenes for women in the books and the series is more than the sex itself. The dynamics of this union are much more than physical. . .there is excitement. . .there is yearning. . .there is honesty. . .there is language of love. The relationship is based on the respect and devotion that Jamie has for Claire. It is his loyalty and his commitment to this one woman, his sense of obligation to honor and protect her. With rare exception do women find and marry men who fulfill their vow of faithfulness. Rather, in the real world, husbands, and sometimes wives, are more likely to stray from the marriage bed because they 1. are bored 2. are stressed by family obligations 3. want someone different 4. want excitement or to flirt with danger 5. want unusual pairings 6. find love and commitment elsewhere. In this fictional marriage, the partners honor their vows to "love and to cherish, to cleave unto one another," and that makes the intimate moments so appealing to women. Jamie's spoken declarations of love, respect, and appreciation for Claire give another dimension to the sexual intimacy. Every woman wants a man like Jamie, a man who truly loves and honors his wife, who values her companionship, and tells her so.
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Della Sorry for my belated response. You bring up so many good points here about what REALLY makes longlasting love sexy and why so many marriages fall away from it. That's one of the things about Jamie and Claire that is so alluring and, I think, a part of why women read and reread the books–they manage to live a hard and challenging life and yet so clearly keep each other as the center, both emotionally and physically. Now that's sexy!
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Della Sorry for my belated response. You bring up so many good points here about what REALLY makes longlasting love sexy and why so many marriages fall away from it. That's one of the things about Jamie and Claire that is so alluring and, I think, a part of why women read and reread the books–they manage to live a hard and challenging life and yet so clearly keep each other as the center, both emotionally and physically. Now that's sexy!
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What a wonderful article! Thank you for writing it, Janet. I take no offense at the use of Lady Porn. The "porn" appellation has become a fun way of distinguishing the things we like from the things we REALLY, REALLY (no, REALLY) like. So it seems a perfect term to use for certain scenes in Outlander.
I think one of the hottest scenes is when Jamie walks Claire back to her surgery because she’s tipsy. She almost lets him walk out and then stops him saying (paraphrasing here), “Hey hunk, how about moving it my way so I can take a look at your package, er, bandage.” When she unties his stock, and they are trying to avoid direct eye contact lest they throw each other on the floor then and there, I swoon. The heat in that scene is palpable, and it has me running for the smelling salts every time. I say every time because I might have watched it a few times. Or a thousand. So, there is no sex at all in that scene, but would I call it Lady Porn? Oh yes, Jamie, yes! *ahem* I mean, yes. I believe I would. -
One of my best friends is gay and 2 of my grandsons are adopted by a married gay couple, so I guess I have a different awareness. So shortly after The Wedding, I immediately shared pictures.
I think that all young men should watch the episode to see the eroticism of slow, light touch, Jamie slowly undressing her. Also they see The openness of talk and laughter. It shows Claire stimulating herself, as she is sitting on Jamie, might be something some hadn't thought of.
Claire's walking around appreciating his body and her hand lightly skimming his body is the key part for me. Just enjoyed it again today. -
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Joni
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My favorite turn on scene is first episode when he eyes her up and down says she's not so very heavy and he can throw her over his shoulder and put her on the damn horse. He asks if that's what she wants. She says no. But he has already fallen in love with her, we see it plain as day and so does she. And the magic begins. Incredible scene.
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Ruth-I agree with you. That scene is so powerful but I think there are more. Who can deny the scene where he takes her back to the surgery when she's had too much to drink. When they are sitting next to each other and she says well I've seen your back. Same scene when he tries not to look at her when she's checking his wound but stares into her eyes bc he can't help himself and wants her so badly. ….and there are so many more. Oh oh when she's tending to his wounds from taking leghairs beating and he says well I guess this is goodbye Mistress Beuchamp. You can tell he's holding back from asking her to stay. ……I could go on and on.
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A friend recommended that I read 50 Shades of Gray about the same time I was trying to interest her in OL. I read it& threw it away. I'm a retired English teacher. I still have my college Eng Lit texts from college. I graduated in 1965. I do NOT throw books away. I may donate, but never trash. She was incredulous that I hadn't run out & bought the rest. I My point is one that has been made several times in the above posts. Diana writes incredibly descriptive erotic sex scenes that are beautifully imaginative without ever breing offensive. The writers of the show's sex scenes were wise to only sketch the action, leaving the choreography to the director who also wisely allowed Sam & Cait to add nuances that were realistic and relatable. Sam is especially good at that. I don't see the director saying, ok now French kiss her, or lick her breast from the nipple up. Sam knows what to do and he does it naturally. Cait responds naturally. The result is a love affair for the ages, in both the past and, IMO, the present. Given the story they are tasked with telling, I simply cannot see how love would not develop. I think they have probably learned to make love in their personal lives rather than have sex. 50 Shades was just sex, page after page. Because of all the people involved with OL, from Diana and her practice novel, to Terry introducing the books to Ron and his assembling an incredible cast and crew, but especially to Sam & Cait, we have shared a love story like no other. Call it what you will, and I like your definition of lady porn, and the word porn as you use it here, (I have often talked about Jamie's knee porn), the stars most certainly aligned to bring this story to lift st this time.
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Disagree…. sorry . I wanted a good story and history lesson, not soft porn. Just saw the first two episodes of the first season. I stopped watching the second episode when they ripped the woman's dress completely off for no reason. The acting is good sometimes bad other times, and does this main character Claire ever wear underwear? Does not look like it. Someone is always pulling up her dress and there is nothing there. Not very lady like. All this sex is a sign of a bad story, no plot. Turned off .What a shame . It really had potential . They could have done so much better and made it so much classier like Downton Abbey. I guess I will stick with PBS.
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Fully understand. We all have our preferences. For historical reference, though, they did not wear underwear in this time period so that was for historical accuracy.
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Every time I watch that particular scene, I think about what Sam said in an interview. He said, paraphrasing here, if I want to dump out of a scene, I just have to look at her a certain way and she breaks up! So when Jamie suggests he could carry her back and the scene switches to Claire with her chin up and a look that could make water freeze, I wonder if Sam gives her the look he referenced? Because I see it in his eyes that he wants to make her laugh there, and then I wonder how many times they had to shoot the scene before one or both of them didn't laugh. I have watched these episodes so often that I find myself going off in strange directions. There have been so many excellent replies to this very well-written article I couldn't make a comment that hasn't been covered already. So I share where their excellent friendship carries me as I watch for the millionth time!
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Hmmm. I agree with your perspective and love Outlander. I have read many places that the sex scenes are highly scripted and they make them act them out many times over and over until it looks real. I remember Sam saying he knows C's acting style very well and which way she goes with material. I am thinking that the sexual scenes are well scripted, but the actors have their own way of expressing that script.
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I think you’re right–they are highly scripted. But the chemistry between Sam and Cait takes that script to another level and humanizes it I think….And what good scripts!
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erm.. no.. they didn't have conventional underwear in the 18C. They had the petticoats, stays, etc but no knickers.. So, it's not un'ladylike' whatever that means, it was normal. And in the one scene in the 1st episode.. it is mentioned she 'left them at home'.. so.. no, no ladylike.. just open, confident and sensual..
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Colleen Campbell· Reply
Fabulous article! Outlander is the first show that I can think of, that gives us history, romance, time travel and lady-porn all on an epic scale! I have always enjoyed period pieces, as well as a good romance, but let’s face it, when you mix the two, a ladies wants, needs, and desires are typically not a priority. We all want to be swept away, and imagine that there are/were men out there that are/were forward thinking regarding relationships and the bedroom! I believe that the love and romance has to be priority for women, and the sexual appetite of the couple is just the icing…..
Outlander knocks it out of the park…High five to everyone that has been involved in bringing this story to life! In this day and age I think we all need a little Outlander, “Calgon take me away” moments in our lives, so…… THANK YOU! -
Larita· Reply
You said in your opening monologue that it is unique to “white women of a certain age”.
I am a woman of colour and know lots of women of colour that love and adore the books and the show.
I am equally in love with these characters and their trials and tribulations as they make this wonderful relationship a thing to aspire to.
The love scenes are very erotic and never gratuitous and also make me as a woman of colour all warm and tingly.
I was wondering what your rationale was in making that statement.Thanks
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Pat Poole· Reply
This struck me too, Larita, I’m white and I’m uncomfortable with the reference in the article (see my reply below) – I’d really welcome a response, I see you haven’t had one.
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MC· Reply
I noticed it as well and knew it would become an issue. It seems many ethnic groups can discuss their preferences on many issues without comment except “white women”. It is always taken in a negative way.
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Pat Poole· Reply
Very interesting article, and you’re entitled to your opinion, of course. There’s nothing I like better than to discuss my favourite book/show vigorously and safely, without chucking insults or being stamped on! So, that said, can I debate a couple of issues, firstly: lady porn? I can’t make up my mind whether you’re using the term light-heartedly and jokingly, in the way that my Outlander Pinterest album is called Je Suis Prest aka Kneeporn ? – I can accept that as it’s claiming the word and using it in a safe context. Otherwise, I wouldn’t agree with the use of the word as it conjures up images of subjugation and coercion. IMHO, of course. And – did I see this? You say that Outlander sex/love speaks to white women? Really? I’d love to hear you expand on this. Having said all this, ?????? for bringing the issue to the forefront of Outlander chitchat 🙂 🙂
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MC· Reply
I think you wrote what most of us know to be so true, but haven’t quite put in words. That said, I feel it was lost starting with Turtle Soup. TS is one of the most erotic sex scenes ever written. It is as if I’m there with them and experiencing all of it. There was something so sexy about their conversation while he was standing in a towel shaving. On air, they killed it. In my opinion. When I write they I don’t know if S and C were not directed correctly, the writers did not stay close enough to Dianna’s dialogue, or S/C have lost the amazing chemistry that drew me in. It looked forced. I didn’t recognize Jamie at all. I didn’t even realize it was TS at first. Season 1 was a masterpiece. Period!
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Anita Coomes· Reply
At 94 in March, am I Outlander’s oldest fan? I have read a good bit of the correspondence above, but not all, so hope I don’t repeat anyone else’s comments. I watch a good bit of porn, but it is all false and just acting. So, of course, are the sex scenes in Outlander but they do find a place in the story and the actors, especially Sam, are so good that you can believe it’s real. It seems to me that the appeal is based , as is normal in books and films, on the power of substitution, that is, we can all see ourselves in the position ( In an intervieor should I say positions?) of Clare and Jamle. They qre the perfect couple and that is what we would like to be paert if, because in real life a marriage is never perfect, even if very good.
Gabaldon is a good writer, unp utdownable, a pity her books are stuffed with mistakes. The French and the natural history are way off beam (the idea of picking apricots in Sctland is quite impossible) and all the peple she thanks for help in writing the books seem to be as uninformed as she is. As I am French/English I was going to make a comment about education in U.S., but I won’t be so mean
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Luke Dyson· Reply
Ron D. Moore was a writer for the Star Trek – Then Next Generation series. This is where he cut his teeth writing good screenplays.
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