If you’re even a nominal Outlander
fan, you’ve probably watched the Outlander Season 3 trailer released today by STARZ at least a dozen times. And you’ve maybe
even hit pause a couple of times to savor a particular image or two. That just might
But now that the thrill is slightly abated, it’s time to think about what it all means. What does the Season 3 trailer tell us about what we can expect starting—dear god where is time travel when you really need it?—on September 10th in the States? We’ve got some thoughts to share. Read on to see if you agree or to share your thoughts of what’s coming. TV-only viewers, click at your peril. Some Outlander book information will be part of this little post.
We know you’ve seen it, but just for good measure…
First (and not much of a surprise given Ron D. Moore‘s admitted fascination with All Things Tobias Menzies/Frank) the trailer suggests that we are going to see sympathetic Frank as the show takes us through the story of Claire and Frank during the 20 years she and Jamie are separated. Moore thinks it’s important for us to understand Frank in order to understand Claire and Jamie’s love. He’s probably—annoyingly—right….but STILL….GET US TO THE PRINT SHOP!!!
I think to understand Claire you have to understand Frank
— Ronald D. Moore (@RonDMoore) June 26, 2016
Anyway, the trailer opens with Frank bringing Bree to Claire shortly after she’s born and then telling Claire, “Everything will be all right. I promise.” Then we flash forward to a shot of a shirtless Frank holding the baby—”come to Daddy”—followed not long after his complaining to Claire that the “arrangement” was that they would raise this child together, with a strong hint that Claire isn’t doing her part of the deal. We see Frank lying alone in his bed, mournfully looking at the clock, which reads 3 a.m.
In other words, the suggestion is that Claire is not being nice. (Warning: we’re headed into spoiler territory) Book Frank is less sympathetic. In fact, Book Frank is pretty clearly a philanderer. Claire notes this many times and in their final battle, after Frank announces he’s moving to England for his sabbatical with Bree and sans Claire, she jumps right into it, asking him if he’s taking his latest mistress. In that argument, she lists the many times he’s had other women, including women who apparently asked her to leave him. They fight and Frank storms off, never to return. The point is that while he certainly has moments of compassion and love—he helps Claire go to medical school by offering to take care of Bree after school—the riffs in their relationship are clearly not one-sided. The trailer feels a little different. It’s only two minutes, so of course, I could be wrong. But the vibe was definitely more Team Frank than Team Claire.
The rift between Claire and Frank is also illustrated by what could be their last argument. “What is it you want from me?” Claire beseeches. To which Frank responds, “I want to know when you’re going to come back from the past!” Flashed across the screen as they argue is a Scottish herald on the wall: Nemo me impune lacessit—no one attacks me with impunity.
The motto of Scotland and adopted by the Order of the Thistle, this saying is from the reign of King James VI. More than a simple historic visual suggestion that Claire, indeed, might still be “stuck” in the past, the expression seems ominous in a way, a suggestion that Frank is about to attack back perhaps? That he’s reached the end of his rope about being left out? (The scene before this shows Brianna at graduation with Frank’s voice saying, “You could never look at her without seeing him.”)
The trailer jumps to a shot of Lallybroch, followed by Jamie proclaiming, “I’ve come home,” only to be grabbed by the Redcoats and put in chains—an act that is simply a real-life moment for the chains he and Claire and, yes, Frank, have lived in for two decades.
Finally, this moment that really says it all IMHO.
If you ever had any doubts that Claire was doing anything but sleepwalking through her existence—yes, that’s what it truly was—you only have to look at Claire’s face (hereafter known as Resting Apathetic Face) in absolutely any shot (except the first one when she’s holding Bree and let’s be real completely thinking of Jamie and that Bree is a piece of him) and the moment before she walks into that PRINT SHOP. (I officially think PRINT SHOP should always be capitalized.) Dear god, what a difference!
This trailer (and the short sub-trailers also floating around) are notably all focused on the first third of Voyager, the time that everyone that matters is separated. (#SorryNotSorry Frank) And as book readers know, there is a whole lot of action still to come.
Caitriona Balfe hinted that this was just the first trailer.
— Caitriona Balfe (@caitrionambalfe) July 18, 2017
Will other trailers be coming? Perhaps released at Comic-Con? One can only hope. We need as many trailers as we can get to last the remaining weeks until the season premiere!
What did you think of the Outlander Season 3 trailers? Did anything about them worry you? What do you think the next trailer might include?
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I remember reading somewhere a long time ago that Diana Gabaldon insisted Frank never cheated on Claire. But when I re-read the book, there are so many little moments (him smelling like another woman's perfume, for one), it seems to be obvious. I don't mind telling the Frank storyline, but I hope they show us the bad bits of his personality too. Like he never forgave her completely, I'm almost certain. Thoughts?
I don't mind delving into the Frank story, but don't make him too sympathetic. After reading the books, I absolutely believe he cheated on her numerous times. She accuses him and he doesn't deny it. She was living in the past but Frank was far from guiltless. And, like Rosie, I feel he never really forgave her. He fell in love with the baby, but from the birth on, Claire was just incidental in his life. It was all about Brianna. The child he could not bear to lose.
I agree – I don't mind getting Frank's story but hope it is not overly sympathetic towards Frank. I know Diana has said we only are getting the story from Claire POV but I still think he cheated. As Rose said he never forgave her but Claire really never worked at their marriage. As usually Janet get piece!
I'm totally Team Jamie, but to be fair, Claire chose Jamie and not Frank. He has a lot to be hurt over.
I remember DG saying that too and thinking no way. It's very clear in the book to me that he was unfaithful….and yes, I hope they make that clear in the show. They might try to suggest Claire's coldness drove him to it but the reality is that's what they fought about that last night….he cheated and wanted to bring his mistress with him on sabbatical.
Marilyn well put. It was about the child he could not bear–although how galling to him to know it was sired by someone his wife loved more….no way Frank is the victim here in my opinion.
Frank, like his long ago relative BJR, does not let being wronged go. That's why that Scottish shield was so perfect….that's exactly the way Frank regards someone "wronging" him. He couldn't fight Jamie so he fought the only thing he could–Claire.
Elisabeth–yes Frank does…..and I'm sure Claire was not the wife she was toward him before she went through the stones…How could she be? But he knew that too. He couldn't forgive her though for loving someone else.
I agree. Frank gets a pretty bad deal… Though I'm totally Team Jamie!!!
Liked the trailer,it shows us Jamies's&Claire's love is still strong,yes RDM makes Frank a better person in the adaptation,but Frank truly,truly loved Claire,so C was not the wife to him when she came back,so Frank looked else where,in a way whole marriage become tragic for both,but roll on season 3.Thank You Janet!!
The only thing that concerns me from what I've seen so far is Geneva..blech. I could have done without seeing that, lol. I really hope they don't make that "night" a mirror of Jamie and Claire's wedding night. I don't think I can watch it. As for Frank..Since they are making up flashbacks that weren't in the book, I wonder how they'll work them in? Is 1968 Claire going to spend most of the first few episodes staring off into space every 5 min so they an flash back to Frank? But honestly, I'd rather see a Frank flashback then watch Geneva any day
"I think to understand Claire you have to understand Frank." That's an odd way to phrase it, Ron, for a feminist show with a feminist show runner and a feminist heroine (as has been pointed out.) As a matter of fact, in Ron's version of DIA, he had pretty much veered into "to understand any aspect of the story in France, you have to understand Frank." Not really, Ron, Claire is a fully drawn character who, if anything, came out a little weird in a story that suddenly pivoted on not-there Frank.
It's not so much whether the show makes Frank good or bad that concerns me, it's how much the first half of the season focuses on him. My husband and I are betting that the season opens with Frank, as the first two have. I get the need to establish the now and then of time travel, for new viewers, each season, but I'll guess more about what's to come when we see if it's switched up this year. Or not.
I haven't mentioned Jamie because the trailer didn't show him that often. (I'm too embarrassed to compare the count because then I'll have to admit that I did *blushing.*) Jamie's harrowing 20 years is the center of the novel's first half. It has all the drama the show asks for, everything any story could ask for – except Claire and Frank. I hope hope hope that content isn't diminished or trivialized. Although it's so good that I will appreciate whatever we see of it. And I'm happy to see that the history hunt will be shown.
As to Frank fooling around, no judging but it wasn't just Claire's version of the story. Bree tells it too, later, from her own memories.
Note: I hope I didn't imply that Claire and Frank's story shouldn't be shown, when I was referring to Jamie's story. Just that it is super complex and powerful and the show has all the tools to do it justice. So here's hoping!
I hadn't realized that was Geneva. I was thinking it was Mary McNab but you're probably right (another excuse to go back and rewatch that trailer :))
I love your comment so much! That point about Claire and feminism etc–so right on and so well put! Thank you! And you're right, Bree does talk about her father's foibles later too….
I first read Outlander when it first cam out as a little mass market paperback. From the beginning I never thought the relationship between them was real, that it had any "chemistry" and so far I have neither read or seen anything that changes my mind. Frank was second best from Chapter 1. The fact that he is forced to face that fact does not make him a sympathetic character. Even his potential nobility is corrupted by his treatment of Claire who becomes second best to Bree and the mistresses. And it wasn't just a sabbatical; he was planning a permanent move, permanently separating Bree and Claire.
Thanks Janet, whenever I read one of your articles I think, I have got to watch TV with this person – it doesn't even have to be OL. We would never stop laughing, I mean being brilliantly insightful. Lol. Your points are always great and fun.
I love the '60s part, and look forward to the 50s part. To get to the reunion, one must go through the separation. As to Frank – I think after losing Uncle Lamb Claire sought an intellectual historian. It was a safe and familiar choice. Then WWII separated them – remember she was separated from both husbands for a long period of time. There are hints in the books that Frank wasn't faithful during the war years, so why would he be faithful after she disappears for three years and comes back preggers with a baby from a "deep love?" To Claire, Frank dealt with separation by being unfaithful, while she could hope that Jamie wouldn't do so, at least not until he believes her to be gone forever. "It has always been forever for me," Jamie says.
That being written, I DO have sympathies for Frank. Not all could be separated from his/her spouse by war and not be tempted by others. Claire in the books admits the same, but didn't act on it. Frank has a zombie wife who loves another, and a child that isn't his but loves him unconditionally. He stays for the child, and yes, I do fell sorry for Frank without excusing his infidelity.
I agree with Kimberly Walker, always felt Frank had been unfaithful during the war years but by hinting that Claire may have been as well stopped her from questioning further. She was always being made to defend herself.
Its strange that Diana says that Frank wasnt unfaithful when it very clearly states, and not implies, that he was. Ron just loves Tobias..period. So thats why we get more Frank and less Jaime. The fact that Claire and Frank needed to rediscover themselves in their second honeymoon in Scotland, shows that CF relationship was not enhanced by the separation of the war. As compared to the CJ relationship…oooh hot flashes thinking about it..fully gushing after every separation they had. As we Scots say..NAE PASSION really in the CF relationship. So its not about Frank..its about that CF relationship being contrived for the reasons already stated. I have to say that Sam has really come on as an actor, inspite of being given less screen time than the story merited.
Nemo Me Impune Lacessit..you can imagine how i reacted when my son had this emblazoned around his rib cage as a tattoo! The real sense of it is that no-one messes with the Scots and gets away with it. Sadly in the 18th century and to this day, that has not been the case. I now live in the Highlands for half of the week and go back to Fife (near where they filmed Mrs Bairds guesthouse etc)..and its so painful to see the ruined crofts and barren lands that were never recovered after the Highland Clearances post Culloden. So much history just swept away. Lovely to see the Gaelic and the kilt having such a resurgence though. And thanks to OUtlander and the weak pound..Scottish tourism is booming.
We just need to follow through on what Jaimie did..and find our own peaceful governance solutions and stand againstthe meddling of our neighbours who seem to govern as if they know whats best for us!!
Oooh didnt mean to ramble on..but heres to eventually getting into Season 3 with our super galvanised A team or CF team..saving wee Ian and surviving all sorts of adventures. Yesterday I had my own little adventure. It was almost 30 degrees here and I think I found the ideal Frasers Ridge location..really I am sure they are prepping for filming here..but mums the word!!
Janet .. According to Claire's assumption.. it is fact According to Claire
Well all I have to say is this is (better be) Frank's last season appearance so Ron is milking it for all its worth. But lets be real here, Frank KNEW what he was getting into, is he really that shocked when Claire can't fall back in love with him? While it IS hard to watch the Geneva scenes, we have to think of *SPOILERS* Willy!
Side note: anyone excited for Dunnbonnet scenes? Thats definitely a book-segment favorite of mine. It looks like he's holding a hat of some sort when he "returns" to Lallybroch.
Look again closely at the trailer … I don't think Frank is sleeping along in his bed – it looks like he's sleeping on the couch/sofa (you can see the back of the sofa just over this shoulder); that's worse than sleeping in a bed alone — looks like Claire kicked him out of bed. Hmmmmm …
It's rifts, not riffs. I enjoyed the blog post, but that was bugging me the whole time! Sorry. 🙁
If we are really going to get into it…. and this is a huge spoiler for way into the series so STOP READING if you only watch the show or are thinking you will read the books as the seasons come along…
Frank has also never stopped looking into the past. He teaches Bree everything she would need to know about living in the past because her history is there. The stone that Claire finds in the deconsecrated cemetary is his first clue to Claire about Jamie … He basically leads her back to Jamie by setting her on a more specific path to finding him. He knows all about the prophecy…. Knows Bree is a part of it.
As for all of the Frank scenes, I don't know that it is necessarily because of Ron Moore's love for Frank, but I wonder if they made this a specific "Claire" trailer. The sneak peek before this was mostly Jamie (the one where they show him in what looks like a jail, and shooting a gun, etc), but it was very short. I kind of feel like they are switching off; show Jamie's story, then Claire's. Hopefully the next full trailer will be mostly Jamie? Of course they won't show much at all after the "print shop" scene in any of the trailers, because that would ruin it! And everything before that for Claire includes Frank.
I absolutely agree with you about why Claire married Frank, but I didn't get the idea that he cheated on her during the war. I think it crossed her mind that he did (since he was assuming she did), but I got that he really just didn't have such great self esteem, so he assumed that she would have cheated on him, since, in his mind, he wasn't good enough for her. I also think this is partly why he took her back when she came back; he had already kind of accepted the idea.
I agree that he definitely cheated on her later though. I also read that Diana said he might not have cheated on her, but didn't Claire have at least one woman come up to her and tell her about the affair so she would leave Frank? I know that a crazy enough person can lie, but with all the other signs? Seems unlikely.
Thank you so much! You never know–it could happen! I've met people from around the States due to the Outlander connection….still to come is Europe but I believe it will happen!
Interesting….I had never thought of Frank being unfaithful in the war–only after–but it was kind of odd that he brought it up to her. hmmm
Well certainly let us know Tracey if your hunch is right about filming. We're always looking for guest contributors to the blog who are in teh right place at the right time!
And, yes, Outlander has really brought to light the shabby way the Scots and the Highlanders in particular were treated. Of course the US has done its share of bad behavior towards others as well…..see upcoming slavery stuff in Outlander as just one example.
ugh you are so right. Fixing it right now. Thank you!
Interesting idea. We will just have to see. It seems as if there HAS to be a second trailer but stranger things have happened…..
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Did any one notice his back is not scared, when he is with that other woman where the castle and coach, toward the end.
Now I'm going to have to rewatch–again—you know, for "research." 🙂
Viclynn, I thought that too at first about the scars, but then I watched it on my desktop screen which is large, the scars are there, just looking more faded.
As to Frank's infidelity I've always thought he was unfaithful during the war and after Claire returned. Like someone else said, he knew what he was getting into. Claire asked the impossible of Jamie when she wanted him to wait a year before killing BJR; Frank asked the impossible of Claire when he expected her to forget Jamie as well as her love for him. I take issue with the fans who say "Claire drove Frank to cheat on her" because adultery is a choice. You either commit it or you don't, no excuses. Claire never cheated on Frank even though she was unhappy with him. And we all know Claire did not like abstinence!!
I hope Season 3 is not dominated by Claire as Season 2 was especially since RDM wasn't on set a lot due to his injury and another project. Hopefully Matt Roberts did more justice to Jamie/Sam. I'm hoping Sam will be able to win some awards for this season.
Good points here re adultery–it IS a choice ALWAYS, no matter what "explanation" you give for why you're doing it. And you're also right that Claire did not cheat on Frank, although we all know there were likely men who were interested in her (she alludes to that in voiceovers about her time in the war). Claire is committed to the idea of marriage as an institution and her promise to not tell Bree re Jamie, this even while Frank likely strays….if anyone wanted an "excuse" to try something else, that would be it. But Claire is forever in love with Jamie. Once you've found your true soul mate, everyone else is less.
Melissa if you have read any of the books Claire is always having conversations with Frank .. so I would not be surprised if we get a Frank type ghost. After all RDM has a man crush on Tobais/Frank/BJR
"He couldn't fight Jamie so he fought the only thing he could–Claire." – I never thought it that way … good point
Even in the books, I didn't feel they really had a solid relationship. Claire said that sex was basically their only way of coming together. I don't believe Frank and Claire would have stayed together. Don't get me wrong, I love all of the characters in the books, even Frank. I just don't think it was there for them. I believe they loved each other, but not in the same way. Claire talks about how Frank did not understand her and didn't support things that she loved to do. That Jamie accepted her for who she was, and respected her in all that she did. I am truly looking forward to the separate lives in the coming season, it will bring a lot into perspective I think.
I think you raise a good point. Speaking from personal experience, you can love something and think that's what love is and then learn through a different experience that actually love can be a whole lot more. She and Frank had something and it was meaningful. It wasn't until Claire met Jamie that she realized, however, was true love, a true soulmate could be….It's not a diss on Frank. It's just the way it goes sometimes.
Please someone explain the creepy pics of someone, Jamie?, in the woods behind trees. No one has mentioned it.
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I don't know. I went back to look and it's so short and so dark, I can't tell. I think it's Jamie but I'm not sure either…..Maybe someone else will weigh in Sassenach.
Of course Claire cheated on Frank!! Are you guys forgetting that she married another man, not much choice but still, and thoroughly enjoyed sex with him even while thinking she was going back to the one she still considered her real husband. If that ain't cheating, what is? Then, when she made the decision at Craigh Nah Dunh to stay with Jamie, she left her husband Frank. A sublime decision, but still "cheating." I can't judge Claire, Jamie or Frank for their behavior. I truly believe that everyone who was supposed to love each other did so as well as they could. Sometimes to their own detriment or their partners.
It's clear in the books that Claire and Frank have sex throughout their marriage SPOILERS:
she refers to it now and then throughout, even remembering insisting on having sex when Frank got in late from an assumed asignation, in order to prove whatever. She also reminds Jamie regarding "taking matters into her own hands," that she was a widow for 2 years (how cute was that scene!!?), she didn't say, I barely got laid for 20.
The whole pain between Claire and Frank was that she couldn't give him her heart and passion, what he needed (and deserved), because she wasn't born the right person for him – or however LJG phrased it that she appreciated. It was painful for both of them to try and fail.
I don't believe Claire would have "cheated" on any husband that was in existence. But, even though I don't recommend cheating, I still don't judge Frank harshly – unless he did it to get back at Claire, which might be possible.
Otherwise, just all making the best of a heartbreaking situation :-(.
I'm not just happy about Claire and Jamie's reunion. I SO love their whole marriage, heart, soul, body (sigh,) and very much of their minds. <3 <3 <3
Could it have been Jamie's solitary night hunting for fam from cave?
Could it have been Jamie's solitary night hunting for fam from cave?
I was also thinking Jamie during cave times. But, it looks like he's hiding or watching something/someone.
Sassenach and Diane–both your ideas about Jamie during cave times–hunting or watching someone–are good ones. I hadn't thought of that….but it's clear from the chatter about the episode that was shown at Comic-Con that we're going to see a fair amount of Jamie (and Claire) alone in their separate lives…
OMG. Have to look at chatter. Thnx Janet. Been busy with something that dared to take me away from my usual reasearch???????? Did see some of the interviews and pics. They all do seem to take a backseat to Balfe who is well spoken. Sophie is very nice.
I am interested to know how we see Frank truly, truly loved Claire?
He had affairs, belittled her about not being pulled together when his friends were coming over and he planned behind her back to take Bree away from Claire.
That just didn't strike me as true love?
So well said Diane!
You completely expressed my feelings exactly… but so much better than I could.
He couldn't have children and saw Claire's pregnant return as a chance to be a father. If Claire never went through the stones perhaps they would have fallen more deeply in love. No, I don't think he did ultimately love her: there was too much resentment. Claire could never love him bc of her great love for Jamie. It was a mistake for both of them to go back together. Claire did it bc she promised Jamie she would. But, she never promised she would love Frank as his wife again. Very sad.
In terms of the story, I think Frank is viewed as the bad one bc it is difficult to accept that Claire's decision to remain with Jamie in book 1 was not bc Frank was a terrible husband. She committed adultery quite easily. In fact, she initiated it several times without a mention of Frank. Just stating fact here. No judgement. She found she was more in love with Jamie and was unable to resist or leave him. Now, think about it, how would you feel if you were Frank. I'm often surprised at how people seem to not understand why Frank did the things he did. Claire did not want him emotionally, or physically. I think he was in denial at first that Claire would come back to him in all ways with time. She could not. Once Jamie came into her life from the beginning Frank never had a chance. Room for much resentment and anger.
I agree with this comment above I don't know how people can read these books and watch the show and not know that Frank absolutely loved Claire. He took her back in the 1940s a woman that was pregnant with another man child (and insane- anyone would think someone saying they time traveled was insane).
We do know that Claire absolutely cheated on Frank by not going back to him when she had the opportunity at the stones. This is a fact. Weather Frank cheated on Claire all those years we don't know.. we only had Claire's point of view. We can see and we saw in the books that they were not getting along well, she was very distant, and he wasn't home much.
I for one am delighted to see some of the missing time that we missed in the books of Jamie and Claire's Separate Lives. The beauty of the books and of the story is that no one is perfect. And for those of you thinking that perfect Jamie shouldn't have slept with Geneva, I totally disagree. He had been widowed for years and he actually was blackmailed, but I for one would have thought he should have found someone else, as any one of us probably agrees that we would want our loved one to find happiness after our demise.
Poor Frank, he married Claire and the war intervened and separated them. fast track to second honeymoon and Frank again loses Claire to the stones and Jamie. He continued to love .Claire throughout this separation. Added to this mix, is remembering the morals predominent in the 1940's when adultery and having a baby out of wedlock was a terrible social crime and the individual was often ostracized. Yet Frank, who had a well documented love of his family bloodlines and its history genealogy ) stood by Claire accepted her child by another man as hisand raised that child with love.
Claire, when she returned to Frank, never attempted to regain the love she had felt for Frank prior to her journey to the past and Jamie. Yes, all three slept with other people they did not love In The twenty year interim: Claire slept with Frank who she no longer loved, Jamie slept with several women resulting in One illegitimate child and Frank had affairs. What a terrible abysmally sad way to spend 20 years. Then when Frank felt Bre was old enough and he was finallyready to move on with his life he is tragically killed, leaving Claire to be a widow and return to Jamie.
Well, just to add a little flippant silliness to the list of wonderfully thoughtful comments above … Claire smokes! At least the 20th Century Claire does. I have to say I find that a little upsetting (not really, but I'm on a roll). As a non-smoker I find getting close to a smoker to be a significant turnoff (sorry all you smokers but I'm just being honest). Part of the allure of the TV series is the beauty of Claire (as I Jamie is for you ladies), and now I have to think a kiss from Claire would not be as sweet. I'll of course forgive her and hope she drops the habit before the big PRINT SHOP scene … and really … a smokey tasting Claire is better than no Claire. 🙂
EbonyRaptor–I had the SAME thought! I'm also a never-smoker and I know smoking was more popular in the 60s but man I wish they hadn't added that trait….I assume it will be gone in the 18th century…..
Can anyone tell me whether they show Flashbacks of C/J during happier times while Claire is thinking of him? That gets me every time. Need to know how many tissue boxes to have on hand.
We don't know that yet but I suspect it will happen for both C and J…..so tissues at the ready!
Yes, it seems people are quite tight lipped about the viewing. Not fair. ????
Just another thought Diana G has said that Frank never had affairs or so iit is written in some prior statement. So….we only have Claire's thoughts in the books that he had affairs i.e. Perfume on his clothes. Asking him to make love to her when he comes home late.
Isn't it possible that Claire made those jumps of belief as it excused her noncommittal to her ongoing relationship with Frank and their marriage. Could it not have been that Frank himself put the perfume there On his clothes in Order to spark some sort of conversation or recognition i.e. Jealousy from Claire. Claire says some "mistresses" have asked her to leave Frank. How Claire can say they are Frank's " mistress" and not just some illusional college student believing that Frank was the love of her life if only his wife wasn't in the picture! These thoughts by Claire help support her emotional distance in her marriage to Frank. Claire existed in droughtland
Hmmmm, Why didn't Claire just leave Frank? except for the fact that she could use Frank for financial support to pay for her many years of education to become a doctor and to help raise Brianna. Frank loved the daughter and wa sphere many occasions when Claire was to busy, or distracted or dreaming of her couple of years in the past with Jamie.
Wow, was just thinking of your comment about Claire smoking in the 20th century. An acceptable practice even recommended back then by doctors? Wonder if she had to go through withdrawal symptoms when she went back to Jamie's time or smoked cigars or pipes. I can not recall anything along those lines mentioned in the books ????
Well they're just doing what they were asked to do–which is not share anything too revealing. As a book reader too, I read some and got a good feel for how that first episode is going to go. Bottom line–we're in for some sadness and frustration for both Jamie and Claire for the first few episodes!
And it would seem Frank already cheated during the war – thus the coolness of the first episode. And distance. Please no Claire blaming. Please
And I know some people think Lord John Grey is a bit weak, I really love the relationship that develops between Jamie and Grey. Much much more interesting than Frank. Frank is as someone wrote above a bit like his ancestor. He could have helped Claire much more if he really loved her but these above comments are right, he wanted a child which he would have never had.
Biggest question of the day… Why didn't Claire just get up and leave Frank and let him be able to find the great love of his life, if it wasn't her. I have read several times that the author herself has denied that Frank had affairs.
By staying with Frank, Claire denied Frank the same deep love soul-shattering that she had experienced with Jamie. Claire didn't love Frank although she did continue to have sex with him! Claire just kept remembering her great love Jamie for the decades she stayed with Frank. Meanwhile Claire became a dedicated doctor sometimes even to the exclusion of her own daughter.
It took Frank to finally say enough! I'm leaving you. You have never returned to the love which we both had at one time. I'm done waiting for you to move on. I'm going back to England, my home, with Bree as you ignore her most of the time. We left England primarily to protect you, the coming baby and myself from the notoriety of your return pg with someone else child.
It seems Outlander has hit a personal note with Joan Bell as it has with most of us. I thought about this as well. Why didn't Claire leave Frank so they both could move on. She was financially able. I think it was more a sign of the times. People just didn't do that then especially when a child was involved. Brianna may have been bullied or the family talked about through whispers. It was very different that Claire even became a doctor in the 40's. And as a divorced doctor it could have repercussions on her practice.
Sassenach, Actually, from divorce statistics prior to WW2, there was a huge increase in divorces after the return of soldiers . The 40s saw a huge spike in divorce rates right after World War II. The Divorce rate in America in 1947 was 47%. Resulting in the stigma of a divorce was significantly reduced. Claire as a professional would more likely than not would have had little effect on her income. Claire should have left Frank rather than punish him for almost 20 years in a non-loving environment.
"Claire should have left Frank rather than punish him for almost 20 years in a non-loving environment." Why didn't Frank leave Claire? Frank wasn't being held captive. If the statistics were as you have stated he would have no reason to remain.
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Huh, Sassenach did you miss the part that as soon as Brianna graduated from high school Frank informed Claire he was leaving her, taking a Brianna and moving back to England! He had enough and was finally throwing in the towel waiting for her to stop loving Jamie and returning to their marriage!
Ps I have read all eight books in the Outlander series and some additional spin-off books and I love love the story of Claire and Jamie. Reading the books, Frank was just such a nonentity to me, I never really thought of Frank as a person and the fallout of Claire and Jamie's love on how it might have affected Frank. That is, until recently, after I started watching the tv season 1A, season 1B and season 2 (rewatched more than once) that I started to feel a bit sorry for Frank and how he became emotionally stunted by Claire and Jamie's endearing love.
Yet, Frank stayed with Claire, he supported her both financially and emotionally. He actively encouraged Claire in her decision to go to medical school to become a doctor. Frank did this Even knowing it would be years of schooling, odd hours interning etc creating more work for him in terms of taking care of the home and Brianna. Frank stepped up to the plate to raise Brianna, there were many times Claire wasn't around and Frank was the go-to parent for Brianna. After recently rewatching the seasons on DVD, in anticipation of the coming season, I have started to truly feel bad for Frank. Actually, this empathy for Frank has rather surprised me as I said before, reading the books Frank was just a stick figure not a flesh and blood bleeding man.
Deborah–if you haven't read the Lord John Grey novels and novellas, you should give them a try. Lots of interesting back story that helps explain him a bit more and also his relationship with Jamie.
Deborah, I totally agree with Janet R.
Lord John Grey stories flesh out his character dry nicely plus looks like DG will be adding addition stories about John's brothers Hal and his wife ( at least I'm hoping there will be more stories about them) John is a very honorable complex man with secrets and the family motto is something along the lines of ….we never forget…. (spoiler hint guess why Jamie lives after the battle of Culloden) thank goodness for the Grey family!
Most, if not all, of the stories reference Lord John Grey are set during the Voyager timeline. Hoping some of those stories will somehow be weaved into the series.
Ps have you seen the eye candy guy, actor David Berry, that will be portraying the character of John Grey this season! Yum.
Loved the article. But it will always be Jamie’s story told through Claire whether it’s the books or the tv series. Long reign the King of Men!