Outlander Podcast Hosts Mary & Blake discuss listener feedback and everything Blake and YOU had to say about Outlander Season 3 episode 3 “All Debts Paid.”
Outlander Cast hosts Mary and Blake discuss our listener feedback from the Outlander episode 3.03 entitled, “All Debts Paid.” In this episode, we chat: why Blake still doesn’t get why people hate Frank, why Frank does have a couple of bad looks in this episode, the controversial thumb rub, taking 10 pounds of crap and putting it into a 5 pound bag, why this episode reminded us of Black Mass of all things, the return of Murtagh, a couple of easy second guesses, how the listeners are really divided on the choices the show has made, one of Blake’s most soap opera-y Outlandish Theories Of The Week yet and much more!
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Hey guys, great stuff as usual! I just want to clear up a point you were wondering about – how long it had been before Jamie and Lord John’s chess-playing scene. The scene itself tells you, both obliquely and obviously. 😉
Obliquely: Jamie calls John a bastard! Who do you call names in such an affectionate manner – who CAN you call names in such an affectionate manner? Your close friends, that’s who.
Obviously: Jamie notes that Murtagh has been getting treatment from the doctor for (drum roll….) three months! Ta da!
Blake, I think I heard you were going to start reading the books and blogging your thoughts? I’ll be interested to see how you “read” Frank after having experienced him in the show. There are a good number of book readers that call themselves “Friends of Frank”, FOF for short. Problem is, you have to allow him to unfold over the course of all 8 (soon to be 9) books. After following Gabaldon on CompuServe for over a decade I feel comfortable with saying that SHE does not view Claire as a flawless heroine or Frank as an evil villain. She takes particular pleasure in stripping her characters down to expose their primal human state in all of their flawed glory. She often seems baffled that so many readers hate Frank and spends an inordinate amount of time defending him, but that is the consequence of how she wrote him. She frequently points out that there is no evidence that Frank cheated on Claire, she left that to readers’ imagination. In the beginning Frank (and Bree) were simply plot devices that she didn’t have a “relationship” with. But as they developed over the course of the series they become more “real” to her. She kind of had to do a bit of moonwalking in later books to order make things work.
In regards to Claire being emotionally constipated I will mention that Book-Claire never voluntarily says “I Love You” to JAMIE. The closest he comes to getting that is “Uhm, yeah” when he mentions that observation. She typically communicates her emotions physically rather than verbally. As a rule she simply does not wear her heart on her sleeve and is not effusive in voicing her feelings. Her response to highly emotional situations is characteristically to tuck tail and run away to process the situation in seclusion and she is definitely not a “we have to talk” kind of woman, which is a source of frustration to some readers.
About the thumb rub. As a gay man in that time in history John had to operate covertly. There were “secret signals” that were used to approach a potential relationship without the risk of outing yourself. The phrase “particular friend” and the thumb rub and inquisitive eye contact were like discreet bat signals at that time. The Lord John books provide more insight into how he navigated his sexuality in a culture that viewed it as a (criminal) aberration.
I already have!
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Blake, Claire has made plenty of choices. She made a choice to not go back to Frank when Jamie took her back to the stones.
Also, leaving Bree was a choice – I disagree that she had “no choice and it was too easy” . Leaving your child FOREVER is a huge choice.
Sorry but there is no excuse for cheating in a marriage, no matter how bad the marriage is. If it’s that bad you leave.