Outlander Podcast Hosts Mary & Blake discuss Outlander Season 3 episode 7: Creme de Menthe.
In our 100th (!) episode, we chat: why this episode was not our favorite, why Blake can’t pronounce the title for some reason, what the role of a Supervising Producer is, going a million miles a minute for the sake of (what exactly?), why it felt like the first episode one of our original writers did not write, but also why we love Steven Cree, how much we loved the natural progression of “the argument” why we think you have to go down before you come up and much more!
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Loved young Ian, it will be wonderful to watch him evolve in his role.
I found the episode left me feeling frustrated, Claire and Jamie are struggling while they are trying to get to know each other, and this episode showed it well, communication needs to improve and I’m sure it will.
The episode went by too quickly.
Please share your thoughts on the preview trailer for 308. Looks like it’s after Lollybrock bc of Jamie’s sling and that’s not good. Thank you.
Blake, Jamie told Claire that the intruder’s body is being stored at Jamie’s warehouse in a cask of Creme de Menthe. It’s not likely to get sold..
Good…Interaction between Fergus and Ian
Bad….The operation and the lying to Ian by Jamie
Great…The heartfelt declaration to Claire by Jamie…only real tender moment between them in this episode. I
There was a additional section at the end of this episode that was cut off where Claire was supposed to come up to Jamie and comfort him. So sad that they left him all alone at the end, watching another part of his life burn to the ground! He really needs a break!
My only complaint, which is why I gave it a 3.5 is that they stuffed too much into 54 minutes. I’m hoping that the First Wife episode will be longer, considering how much they have to cover before leaving Scotland again.
RE: All in the (Murray) family names: How about just: Ian. I know that wicked-old” is probably Boston-speak for very old, not wicked as in evil, but…How about Pappa Ian, or Old Man Murray, or for next episode: “JennIan” ?? And speaking of names, LOVED Jamie calling Fergus ‘mon fils’ (my son).
RE: the fight. so much for the 2nd honeymoon ! I’m in a quandary about Claire still wearing Frank’s wedding ring. I guess it honors what she had w/F, but maybe it makes Jamie jealous.
In general, what I didn’t like about this episode (head drilling to try to save the perp, lying to Ian, too much talk about the other wife), were ham-handed devises to set up future conflicts.
Love you guys!!
Just read the excellent essay on Sam’s nomination as actor of the month (https://www.spoilertv.com/2017/10/performers-of-month-september-winner.html) and was reminded that “wee Ian” was Jenny’s newborn baby who Jamie hid when the redcoats came just after his birth. parental imprinting??
Hi Mary and Blake:
Loved your podcast as always!!
I have to agree with you both, this episode was not a favorite of mine, either.
All of the beautiful subtlety of the previous episodes was gone. Almost from the
get-go, the episode banged you over the head with the feeling: “this is a transitional episode to get you from here to there!”
The episode was as crammed filled with so much, it was as full as the dead body in the cask of Creme De Menthe (something I won’t be drinking again any time soon!)
Everything seemed so plot driven and contrived, starting with Jamie and Claire’s argument.
Claire’s sudden vehemence to save the would be rapist, and snapping at Jamie afterward, spoke more to her ego and the plot convenience to me:
This man first of all was a would be rapist, possible murderer and a definite threat to Jamie’s livelihood.
Letting this man die wouldn’t have been the first time Claire had killed someone: She had stabbed a redcoat in Season 1, helped stab Dougall in cold blood, and attempted to poison Bonnie Price Charlie.
In none of those instances did Claire say that she had to save any of them, or even cared about their lives.
In bemoaning the fact that she was not in a Boston hospital, and that the equipment wasn’t up to par, that the man wouldn’t have died if she hadn’t been in Scotland, it just screamed that she was thinking more with her ego than anything else.
Claire was familiar with medicine in the past, we saw her obsess over how much she missed her life in the past with Jamie, saw her prepare, are we now expected to believe that she didn’t consider this kind of situation before she went back?
And I can’t believe Claire even told Jamie “You’ve never been a parent.”
Actually, yeah, Jamie is a parent: His affection for Willie was proof, and both he and Claire raised Fergus
since Jamie plucked him out of the brothel.
Jamie’s reaction to seeing Fergus raped by BJR in Faith proves that Jamie cares about Fergus like a son.
And Jamie wasn’t much better.
All of it just makes contrived tension for “the wife” who has yet to appear.
What I did like about this episode was Stephen Cree. He was so amazing as always.
I so enjoyed Young Ian and Fergus! Like Rupert and Angus before them, these guys need their own show!
I was so excited to see this episode because I stood outside the close that the Print Shop was on while they filmed the fire. They filmed it in a real close off the Royal Mile in Edinburgh. They blocked off the entrance of the close with a green screen and every so often extras came in and out. And I saw fergus and willoughby come out and wait ready to run in onto the scene. I missed Jamie and Claire doing the same a little earlier 🙁 I heard Claire shout “Jamie” a LOT. It was the most exciting. The Outlander show arrived in Edinburgh for a whole week and used the Queen’s car park outside Holyrood Palace for all their trailers. I work across the road so was beside myself. It’s a shame the episode wasn’t a great one but I enjoyed it knowing I was hanging around just feet away from the print shop
I can’t believe I JUST found this podcast! I love your recaps and breakdowns of the episodes.
Kilt rating for Creme de Menthe: 3 Sorry, that’s as high as I can go.
Good: Seeing the elder Ian again.
Bad: There was so much bad dialogue in this episode. The worst was Fergus, Ian, Claire and Jamie in the alley after Jamie rescued Ian from the fire. So much expository yammering. There are so many more elegant ways to write the scenes to include those plot points than having four characters sit around and talk about them. Not to mention that the scene should have been those characters trying to put out the fire! Do the writers really think that Jamie would have just stood there and watched his life go up in flames without joining the bucket brigade?
Great: The conversation between Ian and Fergus about Fergus’ memories of Claire. (But — shouldn’t Fergus be older now? Wasn’t he about 10 years old when Claire left 20 years ago? So, that would be a 30 year old man hanging around with a 16 year old — that borders on a bit odd.)
Other things that bothered me in this episode:
How did they get the dead body out of Jamie’s room in the middle of the day without being seen?
The casks of creme de menthe had already been moved out of the basement before they moved the body, so they had to have somehow hauled it down the streets to another location.
Ian and Fergus sold the casks of creme de menthe before the guy died and the body was moved.
Literally, less than 48 hours of Claire arriving in town, the whole life that Jamie had established for himself — his standing in the community, his livelihood, his living arrangements — are all blown to hell! And she’s already whining about where they’re living and complaining that she doesn’t have access to a hospital like she did in 1968 Boston?!
Archie Campbell was much more creepy than I expected him to be. Ewwww.
Great post, you are talking my language!
Claire just annoyed me with “If I were in Boston” talk.
I guess the afterglow of good sex wore off quickly. LOL
She was the one who literally dropped in and ambushed Jamie with her appearance. She had time to prepare, Jamie did not.
Jamie’s loosing 20 years of his hard work and livelihood was heartbreaking.
But instead of him going on about Bree and the bikini I WISH that he would have told Claire “I haven’t seen you for 20 years, don’t expect to drop in on my life and expect me to do things your way.”
It would have been great
Blake, I’m with you, and I’m paraphrasing here, but you could really tell this episode was written by someone who had written “lesser” quality programs (again, paraphrasing your verbiage), and definitely not for OUTLANDER. I don’t envy the writer being tasked with getting sooooo much info into one episode, to really advance the storyline (only 13 episodes is a disservice to this novel IMHO), but the writing felt like it really dropped considerably from previous episodes of Season 3. I feel extremely generous while giving it 3 kilts…
First time commenting, only found you guys a couple weeks ago, but I’m LOVING YOUR PODCASTS!!! Loved the episode, aside from Claire’s odd turnabout with the bad dude trying to rape/kill her…Claire: stop trying to save the bad guy…let him go…dude just tried to kill you, was trying his best to get Jamie hanged, and you JUST GOT JAMIE BACK, QUIT BEING CRAZY……….ok…..on to the Campbells…….wtf, you guys? Am I the only one super confused by the complete 180 of these characters’ portrayal?? Cuz book Mr. Campell is a stodgy, ill tempered snob, while poor Margaret is barely conscious….idk, I’m sure they’re working it into the show somehow, I’ll just have to wait and see….otherwise, great episode, I give it a 4.4 Kilts….hope I didn’t spoil anything for non-book readers?
There was no CGI for the fire. The smoke was all real.
I love this you guys! Appreciate all your recaps and interviews. Can someone please tell me if Blake’s pronunciation for Laoghaire should be Leery not Leghair? It’s sound so strange when he says it. Thanks!
I would love to know the Name of the cast lady who plays jenny. She looks so lovely, this year.